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Mmm. That is weird. The OpenGoo install should be the same as AC's.

I will check the installation procedure as soon as I get a minute.

Feature requests / Re: Project Import
« on: July 24, 2007, 06:22:02 pm »
What I would like for us to achieve is something like a mix of Google Apps and Basecamp.

Feature requests / Re: Project Import
« on: July 24, 2007, 03:22:07 pm »
Yes, it would be cool to have an Eclipse plugin that syncs with OpenGoo. It certainly is desirable.

But what OpenGoo is (on my mind) goes on the opposite direction. I use several PC's. I do not like to carry a notebook around. So I want to get into any computer and have the same environment just by logging into a webpage.

Most people involved in OpenGoo at the moment are Java developers, so we all use Eclipse, and the plugin idea would be nice for us. But for someone just doing project management and document collaboration Eclipse would probably bee too much. Remember Eclipse is very heavy (no less than 50 MB in its smallest form).

On a first approach I would just pursue a light-weight -browser bundled- AJAX like solution for the offline work and sync.

Feature requests / Re: Project Import
« on: July 24, 2007, 02:16:51 pm »
That is a good idea. And yes, off-line work should be a goal in a future release, in the recent future.

I can't code it right now, but there may be a volunteer to do it. It is a very interesting task.

Hi oldbroker.

You are right; activecollab 1.0 seems to be just around the corner, and Ilija is probably going to deliver a great piece of software.

But there is concern in its community that the commercial focus the project is gaining might affect licensing and feature set. My feelings are that Ilija should be more open about the roadmap, and empower the community participation.

Anyway, all development is aimed at low coupling so reintegration, if ac 1.0 merits, should be easy.

General Discussion / Re: Alpha 0.1: First release available!
« on: July 24, 2007, 10:06:12 am »
Hi Flowan.

What do you have in your config folder?

You should have a config.php file with just this content:

Code: [Select]
return false;

General Discussion / Alpha 0.1: First release available!
« on: July 02, 2007, 05:51:53 pm »
The first release, alpha 0.1, is available!
This is a very simple release, seeking to kick start community development rather than the final user, although it has all of activeCollab 0.7.1 functionality.
This release extends activeCollab 0.7.1, adding the functions:
  • 'Add Document'
  • 'Add Spreadsheet'
  • 'Add Presentation'

and making each file-line height shorter.
It also introduces:
  • A stub "New Document" form, using FCKEditor
  • A stub "New Spreadsheet" form, using TrimSpreadsheets

Applications / Re: Open Source on-line spreadsheet
« on: June 29, 2007, 12:02:57 pm »
No, I haven't. Thanks for the tip. I will try that too.

How do they do it? The sheets are hosted an NumSum's servers right? NumSum is not OpenSource right?

I did try Zimbra's demo, but didn't like the approach; you can only embed a spreadsheet in a word document. I downloaded the code, but I am still experimenting with TrimSpreadsheets, so didn't have time to take a look at it.

Applications / Re: Microsoft Office Applications Linking
« on: June 22, 2007, 12:22:19 pm »

I intended to say something like that at the end of this post.

You made it more clear.

My idea is this: OpenGoo should let you work with any type of document, but concentrate on open standards for the creation and editing of documents and extra features.

Architecture / On the use of activeCollab as the first framework
« on: June 20, 2007, 04:06:38 pm »
I will try to explain my idea of how I think we could use activeCollab as the first (replaceable) framework for OpenGoo.

What is missing from activeCollab to make a competing WebOffice? I think it is good document handling.

Basically, the idea is to insert Google docs management into activeCollab (this is blunt I know, but I have to get it out quickly, sorry)  ;)

This is how activeCollab handles documents:

And this is what it should look like (kinda, and without plagiarizing)

Then, the creation links should open - in a new browser window or tab:
  • New Document: An embedded FCKEditor
  • New Spreadsheet: An embedded TrimSpreadsheet
  • New Presentetoin: An embedded S5 Editor

Of course, many other formats could be uploaded, but not necessarily editable (let each user handle that, if they can/want).

Applications / Re: Open Source on-line spreadsheet
« on: June 20, 2007, 03:29:40 pm »
This is what I believe in a very abstract way what the spread sheet should simulate.

The online spread sheet is  a table of cells
Each save of the document creates a state or version of the spread sheet.
Each cell can have their own attributes (like color/type of data etc..)
Operations on cells and combination of cells will be based on the attributes of the cell - eg. mathematical functions - which actually make a table into a spread sheet.


After some further investigation (still shallow; I have to admit) and with the activeCollab approach in mind, I now think that TrimSpreadsheet would be the best candidate. It is simple, so that means easy to build upon.

Applications / Re: On the Wiki Engine
« on: June 20, 2007, 03:25:11 pm »
Check out the list of wikis based on the programming language used:

Also some more here:

Great resource!

Architecture / Re: Concern with present architecture/platform
« on: June 20, 2007, 03:17:08 pm »
On activeCollab and OpenGoo

I am suggesting as a framework, merely so we do not have to build one from scratch. I like their concept. It is a proven one: it is a copy of 37signals' Basecamp.

About 37signals
Why I like 37signals so much? I have tested all their products, and I love them. Read/WriteWeb had a poll about what online collaboration platform its readers were using. The results were impressive:
  • Google Apps 47% (743 votes)
  • Basecamp 18% (290 votes)
  • Zoho 10% (165 votes)
  • ThinkFree 8% (132 votes)
  • Zimbra 2% (33 votes)

So, besides the obvious leader (Google), I think we should be following Basecamp closely (and Zoho, ThinkFree and Zimbra; in that order). Starting with activeCollab and work from there could give us some advantage.

This doesn't mean we have to "marry" activeCollab. It is a one-man show, a great one, but that could pose some troubles, since Iljia Studen (the "one-man" whom I wish to congratulate) plans might conflict with ours.

About Zoho

I like what they are doing, and they are gaining much press. Their sponsorship at is paying out.  :P

As I said, a good company to keep an eye on.

About Zimbra
Yed, you are absolutely right. They started as an MS Exchange alternative. They are now realizing the real trend. And probably our only "competition". I wish them the best of lucks, since they are among the few of this truly embracing opensource.

Applications / Re: Suggested apps for Milestone 1
« on: June 15, 2007, 01:56:00 pm »

I agree, and we plan on doing this approach. Thanks. See also this related post.

Architecture / Re: Concern with present architecture/platform
« on: June 15, 2007, 01:54:14 pm »
I found activecollab through the comments in this excellent post at Read/WriteWeb.

I think it is a better system to build upon than Zimbra, because of its simplicity. Also, the birth of activeCollab shares a lot with OpenGoo, so I feel both projects could work nicely together (The difference: activeCollab was inspired by 37signals' Basecamp, while OpenGoo by Google Apps).

Of course, this would mean marrying PHP in the mean time.

Any thoughts?

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